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There are a couple of interesting videos on Channel 9. They're the latest interview with Bill Hill, one of the most interesting guys to listen to at Microsoft.

Hill's originally from a publishing and typography background rather than software development, so for a start it's a nice change of perspective. He's a very enthusiastic speaker, and as it happens he's also Scottish - he worked on The Scotsman in the days when it was still a credible newspaper.

What he's talking about is trying to improve typography and page layout on the web in order to improve online readability.

He's not a web expert per se - he's picking up standards-compliant HTML and CSS as he goes along - and if you're a web developer, you may have qualms about some aspects of what he's trying to do. For example, his preference for full-screen viewing goes counter to received wisdom about how web content should be designed, and it's fairly easy to find situations in which his sample pages don't work.

However, you should bear in mind that this is work in progress, and that while he's challenging some web assumptions, he really does know his stuff on readability, so it's worth hearing what he has to say. Look past the bits that immediately give you the grue!

The real substance is that Microsoft are opening up their previously proprietary font-embedding technology for the web, and making it clear they won't support the alternative font-linking solution - for reasons that are perfectly good if you believe that type designers deserve to earn a living. Ascender Corporation are explicitly throwing their weight behind this, and it's likely to be supported by others. Hopefully it will also be possible for the other browsers to implement support for font-embedding now that it's no longer proprietary.

[livejournal.com profile] tobyaw will be glad to know he may have been ahead of the curve with the embedded-font typography on the Brighthelm web site.

Date: 2008-10-21 04:08 pm (UTC)
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His website looks a little unhappy in Safari.

I can think of a lot of problems with multi-column designs for online viewing, especially if one bumps up the text size. Too few words per line; too much scrolling up and down.

Date: 2008-10-22 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qidane.livejournal.com
Yesterday I set the minimum font size in by browse to 16 pt as I am finding it increasingly hard to read some sites. My main text editor is now at 22pt by comparison. The layout of most sites almost works. But I have noticed some menus having problems.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:38 pm (UTC)
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The interesting developments in web browsers to allow full page scaling, rather than just scaling the text within a fixed layout, will really help. Increasing use of vector-based content will be a benefit; its good to see that most browsers now include decent SVG support.

I’m still not convinced that multi-column layouts are appropriate for text-based content on the web. For advertising and information, sure. But for reading a body of text, I want to scroll in one dimension, not two. And for reading on small screen sizes - the iPhone or the Wii for example - a single column that can be zoomed to the page width is the only sane way to present text. Thankfully most web sites work like that.

I can see good functional design arguments for using multi-column text in many forms of traditional publication, but can see very little reason (than an aesthetic desire to ape the printed page) to use multiple columns for on-screen reading. And there are plenty of reasons to use a single-column layout.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:48 pm (UTC)
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I’m not sure that SVG is going to be a significant issue in desktop web-browsing in the near future, but I don’t see it suffocating. Particularly with its widespread support on mobile devices, and recent improvements in support across different browser engines, there is a lot of work going on with SVG. Which I approve of, as I find it a very likeable technology.

Interesting table of feature support at http://www.codedread.com/svg-support.php

Date: 2008-10-21 04:29 pm (UTC)
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…and I hate to say it, but having tried font embedding all those years ago with EOT files, I haven’t used it since, as it was such a pain to set up.

Having said that, I’ve been experimenting in the past weeks with with font embedding in Safari. Its clear that Safari, Firefox and Opera will end up supporting the same standard CSS commands for embedding OpenType and TrueType fonts. It works quite well, and I guess will work in most mobile devices too, as they tend to use browsers based on one of these three.

So it makes me wonder whether this is Microsoft’s last gasp at trying to promote its own technology, when its clear that the world and its browser is moving in a different direction.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:27 pm (UTC)
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I’m not sure that there is a significant difference, other than terminology, between font linking and font embedding, since they both involve accessing the font file using similar CSS.

I can’t see how the potential benefits of EOT - DRM and subsetting - can work in the general case. If open-source browsers can load an EOT file, then surely the protection that links the file to a site could be side-stepped. For sites that depend on dynamic content, the subsetting feature is inappropriate. And the benefits of EOT only apply to the font’s creator - there is no user benefit to DRM.

So what does the EOT file give you over regular OpenType or TrueType? Other than having to rebuild font files for your sites, possibly any time you change the site content, using a tool that hasn’t been updated in five years and only runs on a PC?

The only reason to use it is licensing requirements from the major font companies. And in effect, a combination of poor technology and restrictive licensing has held back web font embedding. The sooner EOT dies, the better.

We have the prospect of being able to embed fonts within the next year in a decent subset of PC browsers, in all Mac browsers, and in most browsers targeting mobile devices. Free fonts are of increasing quality and are widely available, and maybe one of the major font companies will take a lead and develop a sensible licensing solution for web use.

Date: 2008-10-22 08:45 pm (UTC)
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And we shouldn’t forget the third major way of embedding fonts in web pages; sIFR. Despite my objections to its methods, it works across platforms and I would guess is significantly more widely used than any of its alternatives. Although I think its only really appropriate for display text, rather than body text.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:24 pm (UTC)
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The interesting comparison is with PDF files, where fonts are easily and commonly embedded, and it is an accepted part of the design process. I’m not sure about the technical restrictions on a PDF-embedded font.

MS Office also allows fonts to be embedded within documents. I’ve not used this, and wonder how widely it is used. Presumably the embedded fonts are accessible by other applications that can parse .doc or .docx files.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:42 pm (UTC)
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I think I’d go for it being turned on my default, but subsetting would be seriously user-unfriendly for any document that is likely to be edited.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:37 pm (UTC)
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Even with the potential benefit for font foundries in DRM (which hasn’t translated into real benefit as the technology isn’t widely used), I don’t see how DRM will offer any protection if there is free source code available to read the files.

Looking at the W3C EOT submission, the fonts are restricted to a list of domains. but it is entirely up to the user-agent to control this. I wonder what benefit there is to browser ‘foundries’ to implement this restriction, or to implement EOT at all?

Date: 2008-10-22 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharikkamur.livejournal.com
He raises some very good points - paperback books are the size they are not only because they're a comfortable size to fit in the hand but they're also a comfortable size to read in terms of saccadic motion. You don't need to have huge eye movements from the right end of the text to the left upon completing a line, and the entire page is within the central (i.e. 4-5 saccades wide) portion of the vision.

It's why I don't like reading novels on the computer - the screen is too wide. Reading them on the Palm is fine because the screen slightly smaller than a paperback.

I like his concept of a 'reading view', but as [livejournal.com profile] qidane pointed out it will have to be tweaked a little for people with non-standard visual requirements. The basic premise of a limited width reading column still remains sound though as the central visual field will remain the same.

Date: 2008-10-22 09:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qidane.livejournal.com
The sample pages look dreadful!

I have text on top of pictures, white text on a white background, and text on top of other text.

Date: 2008-10-22 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharikkamur.livejournal.com
I found that too with Firefox on my Mac. Clearly the technology still needs some work. :)

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